 |
This talk page is for general discussions for In the news.
|
This is the discussion page for the In the news section of the Main Page, referred to as ITN. If you are new to ITN, please read the criteria and procedures that guide ITN and its updates. The most important thing to remember is that ITN does not act as a newspaper or an obituary; it provides links to encyclopedia articles that have been updated to reflect important current events, and that have a reasonable amount of information on the topic.
[edit] Quick guide
If you have already read the criteria page, here is the quick guide:
- For an item to appear on ITN, a relevant article must be updated and a blurb added to Portal:Current events or one of its subpages.
- The event has to be important enough to merit updating the article and should be of international import, or at least interest.
- If you are not an admin, have updated an article with an item that you feel is of international significance and put a blurb on Current events, suggest the item at the candidates page.
- If you are an admin, familiarize yourself with both the Criteria and Admin guidelines. In particular, please pay close attention to the procedure for images.
[edit] Solzhenitsyn
There is no justification for this addition. His death was not unexpected, and the article only has a couple new sentences regarding the event. — BRIAN0918 • 2008-08-05 13:07Z
[edit] Phillies did more than win the world series!
Not only did the Philadelphia Phillies win the world series,Tonight on Oct.28th 2008, They also broke the long standing curse of Billy Penn.
This curse has been haunting the city of Philadelphia since march 1987 upon the completion of the building at One Liberty Place.<Wikipedia> About four months ago, a small statue of Billy Penn was placed on top of the comcast building which once again made city hall the tallest building in the city. And to the city of Philadelphia this event has been" A long time in coming". Who knows, maybe this is the big turn around everyone has been waiting for!! Well,, at least for Philly fans. Mike Layne SR. (talk) 04:29, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- I wonder how long it will take before a European proposes this item to be taken down... –Howard the Duck 04:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
- Hope you're not holding your breath. --Dweller (talk) 23:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
- Two motorsport entries FTW? –Howard the Duck 09:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Sports imbalance
As a sports nut, it's surprising I raise this, but 4/7 ITN pieces are, loosely, sport-related ("is chess a sport?" is a canard). I suggest we balance it somehow. Are any of the news pieces dating? --Dweller (talk) 23:04, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
- Removed the last one. I am not going in the debate about the chess. Anyway, we have many disasters most of the time, I still prefer more sports and less disasters occuring... --Tone 23:11, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
- If you can prevent disasters occuring, you're a pretty handy guy to know. --Dweller (talk) 23:31, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
- Well at least he?'s not trying to prevent elections Nil Einne (talk) 10:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- :P --Tone 11:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
[edit] When to update for the US election
I'd like to get some measure of ITN regulars' sense of when we should update to reflect the winner of the US Presidential election. I suspect that the networks will all call the election about the same time, but in the event we get an early call from one, should we wait for the others? Should we update once the AP calls it? CNN? When the loser concedes? I like the first one, but the important thing is that we don't put it up to have someone declare it too soon and take it down. Let's get some consensus on this before election night.--chaser - t 06:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- Loser conceding seems to be the most formal and reliable measure - any other is subjective, and for non-US elections Wikipedia would not cite a single media agency's projection. Harro5 06:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
-
-
- I disagree — a concession might not come until Wednesday morning. (And if you recall the 2000 election, Gore didn't concede until the Supreme Court called it.)
-
-
- That said, Harro is correct that we shouldn't base our timing on a single media source. I suggest that we update ITN when either the loser concedes or four of the following sources have called the election: CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, AP and Reuters. I think those represent a broad sample of reliable sources, and once more than half of them have called it we can fairly say that we're following WP:RS. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 07:08, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
-
-
-
- I think that's a logical thing to follow, so long as the article is fully updated to reflect it before it gets put on ITN. - Mark 07:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
-
-
-
- Personally I think more then half. Actually I would go as far as to suggest all of those. In any case, it should only be provided there isn't a dispute. If some call one way and others call another I suggest we wait until it's more clear whats going on. We definitely shouldn't get into the situation where we would have said Gore won the election in 2000. This is Wikipedia after all, not wikinews and we can afford to wait to get it right. Nil Einne (talk) 10:40, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I suggest two entries. One for the Presidential election, and another for Democrats expanding majorities in House and Senate. -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 07:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- Are we going to mention Palin as the first female VP if by some miracle McCain wins? If not, I propose we combine the two if McCain wins. If Obama wins, given the first black/African American president thing, it'll be too long if we try to combine them Nil Einne (talk) 10:34, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- I think it would be appropriate to mention either the first African-American elected President or the first woman elected VP. But this is wording. Once it goes up, we can adjust the wording.--chaser - t 13:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
It's hard to predict the circumstances. I think that we'd be daft not to be reporting what all the main news outlets are reporting worldwide. But we do need to be careful with POV issues.
All in all, I think it's entirely likely that whichever regulars are awake and online at the appropriate time will find the right way and the right time to report it and that predicting what that combination will likely be is probably futile. It'll be OK. --Dweller (talk) 12:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- By the way, at what time are the results expected to be announced by the media? I don't think we should complicate if the result is clear but if it is not clear, then we should wait for a confirmation. --Tone 12:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- Cascading as the polls close. 01:00 UTC for the East coast, 02:00 UTC for the Central corridor, etc. We should have a winner between 02:30 and 04:30 UTC.--chaser - t 13:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC) Caveat: a close election will mean a delay, but that's maybe a 15% chance.--chaser - t 21:31, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- Optionally, we can put a big hidden comment in the template saying DON'T UPDATE THE TEMPLATE WITH ELECTION RESULTS BEFORE THEY ARE CONFIRMED whatever, just for drive-by admins. --Tone 21:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Today's featured article
FYI - Wikipedia:Today's_featured_article/requests#November_4a regarding the possibility of putting John McCain and Barack Obama on as TFA. Concerns have been raised that if TFA did this, it would conflict with ITN. More input on the TFA is needed. --Aude (talk) 17:24, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
One question is when are you going to add the U.S. elections to the ITN page? it sounds to me like it won't be added until we get results, but not sure if you would put something up to say the elections are happening, before results are announced. Also, will the news item specifically link to the McCain and/or Obama articles, or just link to the 2008 election article? --Aude (talk) 17:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- We will probably know the President-elect by 0600 UTC on November 5. -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 18:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- After this weekend's time change, TFA rolls over at 7 PM Eastern time. The networks don't release exit poll information until polls have closed in that time zone, (7 PM), so there should be no chance of any news organization declaring the election before then. In 2006, it wasn't until 06:20 that we got House results [1]. The remaining question is whether ITN has "Americans go to the polls...". There are no guarantees that someone won't try to put that up. In the past the mere fact that a US election was occuring both hasn't [2] and has [3] stuck. The latter example is from 2004, and the modern trend is to wait for results. Examples from last 500 diffs: [4] [5] [6] [7]. The only exceptions I discern are a country's first free election [8] (historical importance?) and announcing future elections [9] (failure to form a coalition).--chaser - t 21:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
If I do end up using the dual Obama/McCain setup that's discussed on TFA, I'd appreciate it if ITN could avoid doing anythign election related until after they roll off the main page at midnight UTC (7:00 PM US eastern time). Raul654 (talk) 22:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- Sure, we have agreed that we won't have election post until the results are known. It should be after midnight UTC (since the results are expected not to be out before 03 UTC or something). --Tone 22:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- I concur. By the time we have anything to put on ITN, especially regarding the discussion above, the TFA will have rolled over to Harriet Tubman or whatever Raul puts up for the 5th. I thing we should decide the exact wording before then however, because we should "know" the result before we have the official confirmation to call it. Everyone, TO THE CANDIDATES PAGE! Random89 00:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Wording suggestions
- The second one is more factual since the Electoral college doesn't vote until December. Just keep adding your suggestions or change mine. What should we do with the race thing?-CWY2190(talk • contributions) 00:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
[edit conflicted with the above] I think more needs to be said, while the loser does not need to be mentioned. For example (and I'm too lazy to put in links that aren't redirects, but y'all know where links would go):
- Republican John McCain is elected President of the United States, while Sarah Palin becomes the first woman elected Vice President; Democrats gain seats [or "increase their majority", or something like that] in the Senate and House of Representatives.
- Democrat Barack Obama is elected President of the United States, the first African-American ever elected [or "becoming the first African American to be elected", or that without "becoming", or something like that]; Democrats also gain seats in the Senate and House of Representatives. -- Mike (Kicking222) 00:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- Copied from my suggestion on the candidates page:
or
Are we going to mention the house/senate results in a separate blurb? Random89 02:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- Separate or not, but we should mention the House and Senate. -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 03:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- I like Random89's first suggestion, but its second sentence about Biden should be dropped so that the ITN coverage is consistent with other national elections. We have already been accused of enough American bias today. –thedemonhog talk • edits 07:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed. See the discussion about that at WP:ITN/C Random89 18:21, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- I absolutely agree. The president bit should be first (that's the important fact) and the "first african american" part should be second, as an interesting, but far less important, fact. The Biden part should probably not be included. --131.243.48.12 (talk) 19:21, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Bad wording
He hasn't actually been elected that happens when the electoral college votes in December 15. He merely has project to accumulate a enough electors (if they vote right) to become president. Which I guess would make that a projection... — Dispenser 06:26, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
- What about Obama wins the election? He's been declared a winner by all the media and he has enough votes to be effectively elected in December. --Tone 06:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
- I've been here long enough to know the media isn't always accurate or informed, and I've seen them propagate some myths. I just would like some reference to the fact he's secure enough elector voters for the December election. — Dispenser 06:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know... Anyway, unofficial results should be out soon. --Tone 07:46, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
- Most of the votes have been tabulated and made official (save Missouri and North Carolina I believe), and John McCain has conceded. The only way he doesn't get elected by the EC is if he dies, and in that case he still could (you'd have to ask a constitutional scholar). The wording regarding "elected" is fine. Random89 18:57, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Why do we call him an African American, as he's no more a black man than a white man? He's a perfect example of biracial ancestry, but definitely isn't an African American. Nyttend (talk) 13:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
- This has been discussed in Obama's article. --Tone 13:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Link to wrong page: King of Bhutan
The news item "Jigme Khesar Namgyel Wangchuck becomes Bhutan's fifth dragon king and world's youngest monarch." links to the article Dragon king, an article about mythological creatures. It should not link to that. Note that in the article Jigme Khesar Namgyel Wangchuck, the words "Dragon King" in the lead section lead to the article List of rulers of Bhutan. Fg2 (talk) 12:21, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link change Fg2 (talk) 03:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Bhutan misleading
Jigme Khesar Namgyel Wangchuck (pictured) becomes Bhutan's fifth dragon king and the world's youngest monarch.
According to the articles, the word "becomes" is misleading because he became king on 14 December 2006. He was crowned on 6 November 2008. -Rrius (talk) 20:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
- Yea, that confused the crap out of me. If it weren't for the above explanation I would be lost. --Natural RX 21:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
- I've fixed that, is it ok now? --Tone 22:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
[edit] John Key picture
I'm thinking John Key might not like his picture right next to a headline about a cocaine seizure. I know it's clearly indicated that the two stories are unrelated, but it might be polite to put up an generic image from the cocaine article instead. --jwandersTalk 06:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
- I'll put another item on the top, with a picture. This should be fine. --Tone 08:07, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Italics
Names of ships should be italicized: here Nerpa and Kursk. Nyttend (talk) 13:44, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
- Going along with the submarine thing: the current version links to submarine twice in a single sentence. Nyttend (talk) 14:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
[edit] planets beyond ours
I have found a report which is a very significant news item here, so do you know where i can find the article on it and if so, add as a candidate for ITN? Simply south (talk) 12:53, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, that's a good story, check WP:ITN/C, there is a debate ongoing already. --Tone 13:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Página espejo de la Wikipedia
Directorio de Enlaces Directorio dmoz Directorio espejo dmoz Pedro Bernardo
|
