Template talk:Homicide

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This template is in the Deicide article, shouldn't it therefore be put in the bottom underneath the "other" heading? I'll go ahead and put it in there now (assuming its not there already and iv just been stupid) but feel free to revert if it's not appropriate. SGGH 18:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I am afraid that is my fault. I removed Deicide because it specifically refers to the killing of a god, and the homicide template should be about the killing of human beings, which other than Elvis, are not gods. I neglected to check Deicide for a homicide template. I am correcting my error.Mneumisi 19:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: abortion

Several people have been adding abortion to the list, and it's kind of an inflammatory issue, which hasn't been discussed on the talk page yet. What do people think? Should it be on the template?

I'm inclined to say "Definitely not" for scientific reasons, but that's colored by some of my pro-choice bias, I'm sure. :/ It's touchy. Anyway, it would be good if we could get a bit of consensus, to stop edit wars.

The last addition of Abortion, by Piemanmoo, I reverted. I figure it's better to have abortion omitted from the list (whether or not it should be on there) than to have it on there if it's wrongly placed. Switchercat ^talk_cont 02:29, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think abortion qualifies as homicide, but I am sympathetic to the argument that it does. If it is part of it, however, it must be under legal homicides, because it is legal (in the US at least and most other countries).Mneumisi 14:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Technically, it is homicide. The debate is really whether it is JUSTIFIABLE homicide. 75.118.170.35 (talk) 18:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Homicide or Not?

Anyone interested in whether something is a homicide and therefore should be on this template, should also check talk:homicide. Mneumisi 13:05, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Abortion

How about adding a section called "Debatable Homicide" or "Disputed Homicide", and listing abortion under it? It is significant that the entire "Pro-Life" stance bases its position on the claim that people are alive and human from the moment of conception, and they argue that science is on their side just as much as the "Pro-Choice" stance does... maybe even more. -BaronGrackle 18:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I added abortion to the "Other types of homicide" part of the template, the same category that already included feticide. Considering abortion has a broader context than feticide, I thought it merited inclusion somewhere. If someone has an alternative suggestion, in line with my original posting above, or even along the lines of greatly cutting the template's content (which would knock off several of the items listed, not just abortion), I'm open to compromise. -BaronGrackle (talk) 00:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

And someone has removed abortion from where it was. Fine. But it needs to be there somewhere, in some format. Thoughts? -BaronGrackle (talk) 02:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Temporary fix. NeevaN (talk) 00:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I kind of let this topic fade off because I was somewhat convinced that the inclusion of feticide did the issue enough justice. I don't know if NeevaN wanted to see something else on this topic as well, or if he was just accommodating people like me, but I'd be willing to compromise on having just feticide in with the "other types" category if the current format is undesired. -BaronGrackle (talk) 01:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The section has been emptied. 75.118.170.35 (talk) 18:33, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Felony murder

Felony murder is now a disambiguation page. The template should pick one of the two different meanings to link to. -- Kendrick7^talk 01:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] British/American spelling of 'honour'

This should reflect the article heading, which should be 'honour', for reasons stated on that article's discussion page.Tescoid (talk) 13:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] how to fix it?

The subjects under "Murder" look like written in single spaces. "Manslaugher", "Non-criminal homicide" and "Other types of homicide" look much better: double spaced. I don't know how to fix that. —Cesar Tort 12:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I think I already fixed it (1.5em). It looks good in my PC. Does it look good in yours too? —Cesar Tort 05:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Viricide"

The link "Viricide", when clicking from the template, redirects to Gendercide (curiously, I don't see any hatnote "Redirected from Viricide").

If on the other hand it's clicked from other place, it's the article Viricide, killing viruses. What is wrong with this redirect from template?

Besides, killing viruses hardly is "homicide". The link must be removed from template.

—Cesar Tort 18:31, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh! I see now why it redirected there! I saw in the code a sort of vandalism —:

[[Gendercide|Viricide]]

—and I removed the whole thing. Cesar Tort 04:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deicide

How can Deicide be in this template? It's impossible to kill a god. Should we remove it from the subheading "Homicide"? —Cesar Tort 04:06, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• It is a term used in Christianity to describe the killing of Jesus Christ. Non-Christians don't believe God was killed, true, but it is still an understanding held by many people. Compare it to regicide, when the people who do the killing don't believe the victim is really a legitimate king. -BaronGrackle (talk) 05:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I see. It still sounds a little odd to me... Cesar Tort 06:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• Well, if we ever decide to cut down the template to the most essential examples of homicide (I see we have avunculicide there now!), then deicide can probably be one of the links to go. As of now, anything with the word "cide" in it that relates to human-killing seems fair game. -BaronGrackle (talk) 16:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I would leave the curious avunculicide and remove deicide. But I rather not take this action unilaterally without some support in this talk page (or voting if there are several editors watching it). —Cesar Tort 17:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

"It is a term used in Christianity to describe the killing of Jesus Christ. Non-Christians don't believe God was killed, true, but it is still an understanding held by many people." Then why not add it to the disputed section? 75.118.170.35 (talk) 18:33, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, we had it that way, but the previous "disputed" section was a bit unclear. With abortion and feticide, the dispute was whether a person was being killed. With deicide, there is no dispute over whether a person is being killed; the dispute is whether the person is God or a god. If I were to declare myself king, and then someone kills me, my followers would call it regicide. People would dispute the name regicide, but they wouldn't dispute that I was killed. It doesn't seem to matter anyway, since a new format was implemented without deicide. I think that's fair; it's a fairly isolated event. -BaronGrackle (talk) 15:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "list of -cides"

Do we need this? It adds ugly clutter to the template, and is of very limited usefulness to the reader. dab (𒁳) 14:49, 7 September 2008 (UTC)