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[edit] AstorgaThe article incorrectly states the city of Astorga to be in Galicia. It is in fact, in Leon. --Bistor92 03:04, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually, Astorga (then "Asturica" or "Asturica Augusta") was probably the largest city in the province of Gallaecia, created in the Diocletian's Reorganization of 298 AD. A division which was still regarded at the time of the Kingdom of Toledo, while León (then "Legio") was only a walled city and the former seat of the Legio VII. It was only after the Muslim conquest of the Peninsula, and the subsequent creation of the Christian Kingdoms, that León rose as one of them, when the Kingdom of Asturias marched southward and stablished its capital city in the ancient Legio. The current province of Leon, which includes Astorga in its territory, dates back to the Administrative Division of 1833. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.33.185.26 (talk) 16:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC) [edit] North Africa?(removed from article page) Did they conquer North Africa, or is that the Vandals I am thinking of?
[edit] Aquitaine?"After peace was secured a few years later, Honorius granted the Visigoths lands in the Aquitaine area of modern France,"
[edit] Origins?What are the origins of the visigoths? I remember reading the original theory was southern Sweden (goths from Germany but the group itself from southern Sweden and moved south)... [edit] Changes of names and dates need vettingAnonymous User:68.49.159.131 has ranged through many of the Gothic kings, changing dozens of names and dates. See User history. These changes need to be vetted for accuracy. Such wholesale changes are frequently agenda-driven, with no base in documented history. --Wetman 01:40, 25 August 2005 (UTC) [edit] Thervingi and VisigothsAre there any references to the Visigoths (not to the Thervingi) before A.D. 390? The Hun War, Roman War, and settlement all divide the earlier (Therving) history from the later (Visigothic history) and there is no reason to assume that the older Therving identity corresponds with the later Visigothic identity. Heather 1996 pp. 111ff observes that the later Visigoths included some non-Therving and excluded some Therving groups. Jacob Haller 07:43, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Portugal and Spain History boxesGhepeu added the History of Spain template. I've just added the History of Portugal template. Iberia pr Hispania, covers not only the modern country of Spain, but Portugal also. The word "Spain" in modern English (and its counterparts in other languages) means the country of Spain, not all of the Iberian peninsula (as the respective articles show). The fact is that Castillian expansionism over the centuries (ask not only the Portuguese, but also the Galicians, the Basques or the Catalans...) tried to monopolize the definition of Iberia in a way that satisfied its imperial interests. In fact, even if Spain was used in ancient times to refer to the whole of Iberia, today it is not. In this sense, given that the Kingdom of Spain only emerges with the union of Castille and Aragon in 1492 (and this is disputed since Navarre was only incoporated in 1512), one can almost say that there was never a Spain before that! It was Iberia that was conquered by the Romans, who called it Hispania. The country of Spain didn't exist then. It was Hispania that was conquered by Suevi, Vandals, Alans and Visigoths. The country of Spain didn't exist then. It was Visigothic Hispania that was conquered by the Moors. The country of Spain didn't exist then. The Moorish conquest was of Iberia or Hispania (that should not be confused with Spain, even if the term Hispanic is used to denote Spanish speaking peoples). This conquest and subsequent occupation led to a Christian reaction know as the Reconquista from which several Christian kingdoms emerged (such as Asturias, León, Castille, Portugal, Navarre, etc.). Over time Castille came to dominate most of Iberia (but not Portugal, except for a small period between 1580 and 1640) and the use of the castillian word "España" (which is the castillian version of latin Hispania) started as a political strategy to curb autonomy or independence from centralist Madrid (for the same reason Castillian language started to be known as Spanish, implying the irrelevance of other Iberian languages - this was still a problem in the Spain of the 20th century, with the active repression of languages other than Castillian). Furthermore, if you call Spain to the Iberian peninsula, this not only is simply not true, but is felt as profoundly offensive at least by the Portuguese. For all these reasons and more, if this article has the History of Spain template, it must also have the History of Portugal template. The Ogre 16:55, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Shouldn't the article be named "Visigoths" instead of "Visigoth"?Surely this article is about the collective people, not just one individual. Appears to be inconsistent to have an article named Visigoth, and then start off the article with the sentence: "The Visigoths were one of two main branches of... " Downwards 07:00, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] ArianismThe offered definition does not describe Wulfilan theology as attested by the letter of Auxentius or the later Gothic theology of the Skeireins. Jacob Haller 07:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] ImagesI have a Spanish book published by Juan Antonio Cebrian about the Visigoths in Spain starting with Alaric I. The chapters are organized by each succeeding King with a portrait of each King. Would it be alright to scan and add the pictures of each King at the top of their respective articles, to add a face to what many might consider a "dry" period of history? Also what kind of file type would be advisable?
[edit] ThervingsI created a seperate page for the Thervings editing the relevent sections from this article to create the stub. Jacob Haller 05:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC) [edit] Remaining HistoryCan anyone add a little about what happens to the Visigoths after the Moors take over Spain? 24.240.36.221 04:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Some elite Visgoths even converted to Islam and married into Moorish families, or so I've read. Purely political alliances, most likely. Some powerful Visigothic or Ibero-Roman families remained prominent in Islamic Iberia, at least for a few centuries. Of course this varied with place, there were also poor Visigoths, and anyway the evidence is scarce, etc... FilipeS 19:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Revisions to Gothic War (37--382)Corrected the starting year to 376 (see Talk:Gothic War (377-382) and the text here. More than two leaders (Fritigern, Alaviv (if another person), Alatheus, Saphrax, Farnobius, Athanaric, Munderic, Lagariman, Odotheus (attested 380s), (bishop) Wulfila, Gaaththa (attested 380s), Arimer...). Not known who did the ferrying. Rome unwilling (not unable) to feed or settle refugees (see Ammianus book 31 chapter 5). No evidence of false message or unreliable intelligence (check Ammianus book 31 chapter 12 and Delbrück's study of the campaign). Jacob Haller 13:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC) Also, for the Alaric section, there is nothing to suggest the Romans negotiated with Fritigern in particular. Peter Heather discusses this in some of his works. Jacob Haller 13:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC) [edit] the flow of this article is disputableIt's extremely difficult to understand the history of this article if the sections cant flow chronologically. Kendirangu 11:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC) [edit] how come attila ataked the visigoth empaire?he was on the othere said of the romen empaire. in the artikel about attila they said he invayeded the visigoth. had the vusigoth had a former empaire ? [edit] Cleanup: Thervingi and Greuthungs𐌷𐌴𐌹𐌻𐍃! The section is intriguing, but written like a scientific article, not an encyclopedic one. It reasons to much and it weights the sides and arguments too much. The section name should be Thervingi or Thervingi Connection. Double blipps " are ugly in a section title, and Visigoths are already the topic of the article. The two or three last paragraphs in that section belongs to some other section. The reference should also be shorter, such as (Eutr. Brev. 8, 2, 2) [1], moved to the <ref>-part. Rursus 11:26, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] DisputedDisputes: Paragraphs 3 and 4 assume that the Thervingi and Vesi are one people, that the Greutungi and Ostrogothi are one people, and that the Thervingi and Greutungi were the branches of the Goths in the fourth century. Also, does the term Ostrogothi appear by the fifth century (before the end of the fourth century) or only in the (late) fifth century? Jacob Haller 19:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Might Want to research this More"The Battle of Adrianople in 378 was the decisive moment of the war. The Roman forces were slaughtered; the Emperor Valens was killed during the fighting, shocking the Roman world and eventually forcing the Romans to negotiate with and settle the Barbarians on Roman land, a new trend with far reaching consequences for the eventual fall of the Roman Empire" For One thing, Peter Heather, in his Book, "The Fall of the Roman Empire" adds an 'H' on to Adrianople, so check the correct spelling on this. Further, you might want to reconsider the claim that this battle was the decisive moment, seeing as how it occurred only a third of the way into the War. If it was truly forced the Romans to negotiate then why did it take four additional years to end the conflict?? And how seeing how this was the only significant Gothic Victory in the war. [edit] Might Want to research this More"The Battle of Adrianople in 378 was the decisive moment of the war. The Roman forces were slaughtered; the Emperor Valens was killed during the fighting, shocking the Roman world and eventually forcing the Romans to negotiate with and settle the Barbarians on Roman land, a new trend with far reaching consequences for the eventual fall of the Roman Empire" For One thing, Peter Heather, in his Book, "The Fall of the Roman Empire" adds an 'H' on to Adrianople, so check the correct spelling on this. Further, you might want to reconsider the claim that this battle was the decisive moment, seeing as how it occurred only a third of the way into the War. If it was truly forced the Romans to negotiate then why did it take four additional years to end the conflict?? And how seeing how this was the only significant Gothic Victory in the war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.8.193.37 (talk) 15:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Suggested MergeI have suggested that Visigothic Kingdom, a rather disjointed article I suspect was created by babel-fish from a foreign source, be merged into this one. I don't know enough about it to do it myself though. MrWeeble Talk Brit tv 14:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Interwiki linkHi, the spam filter prevented me from adding this af:Wesgote interwiki link, can someone please assist. laurens (talk) 18:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC) [edit] Desperately needs some bloodThis is one of the poorer history articles I've seen in WP. It seems to be a collection of facts glued together without any interest. After reading it, I know little about the Visigoths, as a people, as a culture, as a force in the world. There isn't a drop of life in the whole thing. These people *must* be interesting, wherever they came from. They must have been pretty good warriors, because they did some nasty to the Romans and the Greeks. There must have been some drama around their defeat by the Muslims. But none of that human drama comes through in this arid survey. No worries for Cliff's Notes *here*. Twang (talk) 02:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC) Página espejo de la WikipediaDirectorio de Enlaces Directorio dmoz Directorio espejo dmoz Pedro Bernardo | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
