Talk:The Amazing Spider-Man (comic book)

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See Talk:Spider-Man for some background on why there is both a Spider-Man and page and The Amazing Spider-Man page. -mhr 21:58, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)

It's still ridiculous. Just because separate entries for the same character/comic-book/comic-strip has been set up doesn't mean they should not be combined. It's simply confusing. Turn this into a redirect to Spider-Man. Kaijan 22:53, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

This article will remain separate from Spider-Man. Spider-Man has had many comic books devoted to him (Spectacular Spider-Man, Web of Spider-Man, Amazing Spider-Man). Each one of these comic book runs will have its own article as it should, while the character himself, separate from the various series devoted to him, has his own article. Alexander 007 07:33, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

• Since this article details the primary use of the name "The Amazing Spider-Man" this article should be given the title "The Amazing Spider-Man" with all other uses moved to "The Amazing Spider-Man (disambiguation)".--Darknus823 (talk) 18:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
• Page The Amazing Spider-Man is an article and not in disambig page format. The Spiderman cartoons [1] (which are not mentioned in page The Amazing Spider-Man) are also well-known. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Bibliography of all amazing spiderman issues

Can someone do a Bibliography of all the issues of the amazing spiderman. From Vol.1,2,and 3. Also the annuals, and specials in the series.

I agree, there are 536 issues to date. I think the bibliography should be classified as begining with the amazing spider-man #1, and include all the 1963 Series Issues. Next, it should note the 1999 series, and thirdly the 2003 series should be outlined and listed as well. ALSO: the picture on the page should be changed to the MOST RECENT "the amazing spider-man" issue, to keep it recent. --Ccolling 23:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External link slow

The Marvel Database Project linked to from the article is cool but almost unreachable due to slowness... -Philwiki 19:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Issue252.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Af issue 1.jpg

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[edit] Linking to external wikia

Wikipedia policy is never to link to outside wikia as a reference source, and to include only consensus-approved outside wikia under "External links" only. Inline links within the article to Marvel's wiki is inappropriate and against policy. That and DC's wiki are only approved for listing as "External links".

I'd like to also alert fellow editors to the heavy use of POV original-research essaying throughout this article, which is similarly inappropriate. It's such a long article, and involves such a high-profile character, that will take several editors to bring it up to standard in a reasonable period of time. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:02, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] One More Day

This section contained hugely overwritten and overlong plot detail, disallowed per WPC guidelines and exemplar, and also per Wikipedia MOS since the section topic links to its own, separate article. It also contained uncited "apparently" statements (WP:NOR speculation), and used incorrect cover-dates. --Tenebrae (talk) 04:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 1990s

Removed lots of personal critical analysis and WP:NOR essaying. Wiki policy is that we state only verifiable facts, properly cited. --Tenebrae (talk) 04:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SHB

This is an article about the comic-book series, not about the character Spider-Man. The SHB should depict the first issue. That is encyclopedic, historically significant, non-decorative, and justifiable under FUR. Thought and comments from other editors, please. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree... Start with the beginging instead of the "most recent, significant issue". - J Greb (talk) 20:28, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

With no comments otherwise after nearly two weeks, I will make the change. Please do not revert without calling for community comment. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Move

This should be move to The Amazing Spider-Man with a diambiguation for all other uses of the phrase. The current "The Amazing Spider-Man" page is redundant since all the items on that page have their own separate articles.--Darknus823 (talk) 01:18, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

1. This should have been place before moving the article from The Amazing Spider-Man (comics book).
2. As it stands "(comic)" is in no way, shape or for a correct dab suffix.
3. Based on the set index currently;y at The Amazing Spider-Man, two topics covered there do not have their own articles - The newspaper comic strip and the radio/audio plays. Since the set index is more than a simple dab page, the "(disambiguation)" suffix would be inappropriate as would "(comics)"

In regards to point 1 and 2, I've moved this article back to the last "good" dab suffix it had so the move can be discussed from there. Please allow the discussion to go from there.

In regard to point three, this article should 'remain as "(comic book)". There is no reasonable suffix for the set index article. Further, since there is both "book" and "strip" formats, it is inappropriate to use "(comics)" for an article that focuses on only one of those formats. - J Greb (talk) 02:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

This is a tricky one, there are probably a couple of solutions (other than simply leaving it as it is, of course), although none of them are to move this to "The Amazing Spider-Man (comic)". The Amazing Spider-Man is clunky and isn't a set index (as that covers a specific topic like films, mountains, etc. and that covers TV and films - it is more a bloated disambiguation page) and I feel something needs doing. The options would be:

• Move this to The Amazing Spider-Man and move the page there to a disambiguation and trim down. As J Greb says this isn't really a good option as some of the spin-offs don't have their own articles.
• We merge the two together - this would make for a larger page but one we could cope with. The others would go into "Spin-offs" or "In other media" but it strikes me we have a case of apples and oranges as some of those aren't spin-offs from the comic but are things that happen to the named the same way. Which leads me to my preferred solution:
• A hybrid approach - some things aren't spin-offs from the comic but merely have the same name as it, some are even reaching (like the "film" section - the audio play is unclear and unsourced). I'd suggest we merge in just the spin-offs and create a list at The Amazing Spider-Man (disambiguation) which can include everything of the same name. It would allow us to keep the "in other media" section tighter and less speculative while allowing people to find the specific page they are looking for.

So we either go with that last option or leave it as it is - the main page is messy and loose and it would be an unsatisfactory solution but if the hybrid approach isn't workable then we will have to go with the best of a bad lot.

For a broader discussion on disambiguating (part of which came up from the various moves recently) see: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Disambiguation. (Emperor (talk) 17:42, 15 June 2008 (UTC))

Actually we may be over complicating this situation - the media may be called something related to "The Amazing Spider-Man" but it would be difficult to claim most of it is specifically spin-offs from The Amazing Spider-Man comic book, they are really spin-offs from Spider-Man and should really be dealt with in Spider-Man in other media. So my solution would be to merge most of The Amazing Spider-Man to Spider-Man in other media and move this to the top slot. We can include anything hat is an actual spin-off in other media and we should create a conventional disambiguation page at The Amazing Spider-Man (disambiguation) listing the other things that happen to share the same name, for example you have Batman: Gotham Knights and Batman: Gotham Knight but they aren't spin-offs - when it comes to merchandising and spin-off licensing it is often a good idea to use one of the available names and as there is already a lot of media named "Spider-Man" a good alternative would be "The Amazing Spider-Man" but there need not be any connection beyond the name and these are best dealt with in the more relevant article, which in this case is: Spider-Man in other media. (Emperor (talk) 17:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC))

I'd have to go along with Emperor and J Greb overall. One additional complicating factor, though, is that Fictional history of Spider-Man contains very much the same information as The Amazing Spider-Man (comic book). As long as we're working on the article, we might want to just have a "main article" link from The Amazing Spider-Man (comics book) to Fictional history of Spider-Man, rather than having everything appear twice. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:45, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed - the problem with splitting up a big article like Spider-Man is that there could be an increased replication of information. It does look like this could be the case. If we trimmed this article back a bit then moving this to the top slot and merging bits of the article there into this and merging the rest to Spider-Man in other media would help sort the relevant bits into the relevant places. (Emperor (talk) 23:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC))

A couple thoughts:

When I split this from the rather large The Amazing Spider-Man, this seemed to be the obvious (and easiest) split. There was more information on the comic book; it was causing the page to be less than easily navigated; etc.

I wouldn't disagree that The Amazing Spider-Man does need cleanup.

A GDFL note: In doing the split, I moved the page to The Amazing Spider-Man (comic book), and did the split "in reverse", back to The Amazing Spider-Man. I did this because (mostly): The comic book section was larger, and likely the result of the "more edits". In addition, it allowed for merging to the pre-existing dab page. (See here.)

One thing that I think I'd oppose is just merging to Spider-Man in other media. To be clear, this concerns the usage of the name The Amazing Spider-Man, not: "anything to do with Spider-Man". For one thing, I don't wish to give short shrift to the comic strip or the TV series. And honestly, I think that there is enough listed to support its being its own page.

This also follows the naming conventions of quite a few other pages, including Superman (comic book) and Batman (comic book). (See also WP:NCC.)

And really, while this information may be derived from the character "Spider-Man", they aren't derived from the comic book, merely its name (which derives from a merging of the previous name: Amazing Fantasy; and the character's name: Spider-Man). I doubt that any in this discussion would dispute this.

So to summarise:

• The Amazing Spider-Man is a name which has been used in several media for creative works related to Spider-Man.
• I think that it's such a "strong" (commonly known) name, which has had many usages, that it justifies having its own page.
• The comic book information may have comprised the (currently) longest section, but (at least) the comic strip name may be "commonly known" enough for this to justify not having the comic book default to the non-parenthetical form, but rather to fall under the dab guidelines at WP:NCC. Which means that the article/list/dabpage/setindex/overview - (or whatever we're calling them these days : ) - should be the non-parenthetical page. (And honestly, would seem to be more intuitive and an ease to navigation.)

As such, I oppose a move/merge, and suggest that efforts instead be directed towards cleaning up Amazing Spider-Man. (Since that seems to be a concern.)

As always, further thoughts are most welcome. - jc37 20:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I think we might be entering into a realm of confusion here.

I agree with jc37 that The Amazing Spider-Man be either its own article or, at the very, very least, a disambig page. My own thinking tends toward the former, i.e., the status quo.

The page I think is redundant is The Amazing Spider-Man (comic book).

OK. Let's carry on. What do we do about the duplicative material that's in both Spider-Man and The Amazing Spider-Man (comic book)? --Tenebrae (talk) 05:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

From that perspective, we need merely to follow WP:Summary style.

If we presume that Spider-Man is the main article concerning the character (and presumably publication of the character?), then the "bulk" of information at Spider-Man which applies to The Amazing Spider-Man can be merged here, while placing a concise summary and using Template:Main to link here.

This is, of course, presuming that I understood your question. If not, please feel free to clarify : ) - jc37 09:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm not following, though I get the sense we're on the same page.

That said, I think I'll sit this one out. There's a brouhaha brewing at Vertigo (DC Comics), and for whatever repetition or redundancies that might exist in the Spider-Man articles, they're by and large solid, encyclopedic entries. Now Vertigo (DC Comics)? That needs help and attention.

It's good working with you, JC. Stop over the other place and weigh in if you can. Cheers, bud -- Tenebrae (talk) 05:09, 26 June 2008 (UTC)