Talk:Saddam Hussein

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[edit] Image sources

Many of the images used in this article as tagged with (the deprecated tag) {{PD}}, and the reasoning given is that the image comes from "Iraqi News Agency". As no verifiable source information was added, many of these image have been tagged as no-source. Also, I'm not sure that images from "Iraqi News Agency" automatically qualify as fair use. --Abu badali ^(talk) 18:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, but it does fall under {{PD-Iraq}}. --Ipatrol (talk) 23:20, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FIRST gulf war??

The gulf war involved all the countries of the gulf. Saudi arabia, qatar, kuwait, uae, jordan and so on fought against iraq. The more recent American invasion of Iraq was in no way a gulf war. The saddam hussein article refers to the 'first' gulf war which is historically and factually incorrect. Someone please correct it. Take out 'first'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.164.235 (talk) 20:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't matter. All wars have near numerous different names, which someone wouldn't like. Unfortunately, this article is filled with so much nonsense that is far more pressing than the naming of a war, more than I can even list here. I can't even read much of it, but thankfully wikipedia isn't my sole source of information. --MercZ (talk) 23:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

"Gulf War" refers to the location (the Persian Gulf), not the combatants involved. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 17:22, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Two issues with the top comment. The claim that Jordan was involved in the 1990-1991 conflict with Iraq is incorrect. The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan remained neutral, much to the consternation of other Arab nations as well as the American Congress. Jordan maintained fairly friendly ties with both Iraq and the West during and after the conflict. Many Arab nations curtailed their own relations with Jordan as a result, however. The U.S. Government provided Jordan with an incentive for repairing Jordanian-American relations, namely signing a peace treaty with Israel. The claim that 1990-1991 conflict was the "first" Gulf War would be further disputed by many of the countries in the Persian (Arabian) Gulf. Many individuals in Kuwait, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc., consider the Iran-Iraq War to be the "First" Gulf War —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.27.1.3 (talk) 19:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I've often seen the second point, on the Iran-Iraq war being called the "first Gulf War" even in western sources. Considering the fighting was on nations on either side of the Gulf, the impact on Gulf shipping, and the involvement of other nations such as the US in naval operation in the Gulf relating to that was, I can see the reasoning there. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 13:51, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] broken citations

i'm seeing a lot of references leading to pages that are no longer available. Could someone please fix this Seektrue (talk) 05:34, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

• Which ones are not available? WhisperToMe (talk) 17:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV section title

Kauffner keeps changing the title of the "Secular leadership" section to a title that clearly violates NPOV. Kauffner can you please explain yourself, or alternatively, please stop messing around like this? Thanks! csloat (talk) 19:10, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

"Secular leadership" is just not true. "Leader of All Muslims" was one of Saddam's official titles and he added religious script to the Iraqi flag. Kauffner (talk) 09:20, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

We can certainly include that information but it doesn't at all dispute his secular leadership. Every scholar on this topic agrees that Saddam used Islamic trappings to bolster his secular leadership and to appeal to pan-Islamists. Besides, you're not changing the title to "Religious leadership," which I'm sure you know would be complete nonsense; you're changing it to the ambiguous "Domestic policies and personality cult," which says nothing about Islamism and really doesn't accurately summarize what the information in this section is about. Personality cult is one aspect of his secular leadership as mentioned in the article, but it is not the only thing covered. His posturing as an Islamist is also mentioned already in the article. Your changes do not reflect the argument you are making, and the argument you are making is wrong anyway. csloat (talk) 20:44, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

His Islam was "posturing", whereas his secularism was, what? The real deal? Secularism was a pretext to crack down on the Shi'ites. The original reason Saddam was considered secular is because his background is Arab nationalist. But there is no contraction in being both religious and nationalist. In fact, it is Ba'ath Party doctrine that Arabs are the superior race partly because they are more spiritual. Kauffner (talk) 03:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

All experts on this topic agree he was a secular leader and that his islamism was a pretext. Your claim that secularism was a pretext is not supported by any reliable source of which I am aware. If you have one, please cite it and we can add a sentence or two to the article indicating that one source thinks otherwise. And you probably already know this, but "Arab" is not the same as "Muslim." Anyway you still haven't defended your change to the article, which had nothing to do with this discussion -- the discussion about Saddam's islamism is engaging perhaps but irrelevant to the change you were making. csloat (talk) 23:25, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Typo

Under the capture section the word "transported" is misspelled "trasported".

• Done Spiesr (talk) 16:05, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hala Hussein's Age

{{editsemiprotected}} It says that she was born in the late 1970s. But her Wiki Article states the year is 1972. Maybe someone could fix that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.208.215 (talk) 21:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Y Done good spot--Jac16888 (talk) 00:41, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling error - Family section

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and most [notoriously], whenever Iraqi athletes performed poorly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crickman1 (talk • contribs) 06:17, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Done--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 17:51, 5 November 2008 (UTC)