Talk:Primitivism

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[edit] Page move(old)

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I think that this page should be titled Primitivism (art) and the Anarcho-primitivism page should simply be titled primitivism.

• I disagree. Parenthetical disambiguation should only be used when absolutely necessary. -Silence 23:14, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] primitive

I am unsure how the relationship between this page and primitive should be handled. Perhaps they should be merged, or switch places? Their pretty much the same concept... We need more content on "primitives" (pre-agrarian people), since IMO thats the primary usage of these terms... ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 5 July 2005 02:36 (UTC)

Well, IMHO the pages ought to be merged, since otherwise people will edit the two versions and they'll fork. Since the talk page points to anarcho-primitivism, i'll have a go in the next few minutes, merge the two texts, and put the merged version on anarcho-primitivism. i'll then make primitism into a redirect.

How does that sound? Boud 21:50, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Done. But i made primitivism into a disambiguation page. Artists can also be primitive, so it seems :P. Boud 22:13, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Primitivism?

Could someone point me to the right articles?

Chronological primitivism (earliest stage better than later stage,), Cultural primitivism (“natural” condition of mankind best ... seems close to anarcho-primitivism but I'm unsure), Hard primitivism (best without arts and sciences), and Soft primitivism (best when life is without toil)

Thanks. J. D. Redding 17:21, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

These categories are from Lovejoy and Boas's great study: Primitivism and Related Ideas in Antiquity (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press, 1935; reprinted by Octagon Books in 1965).

See also: Lois Whitney, Primitivism and the Idea of Progress in English Popular Literature of the Eighteenth Century (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins UP, 1934)

An article about Primitivism in Early America and it's sources in ancient Roman poetry, Christianity, and Greek Stocism is Nanette C. Tameris', "Sibi Imperiosus: Cooper's Horatian Ideal of Self-Governance in The Deerslayer"(Villa Julie College) Placed on line July 2005 http://external.oneonta.edu/cooper/articles/suny/2003suny-tamer.html retrieved October 16, 2008.96.250.30.152 (talk) 02:48, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

I'm not sure if I agree with the third characteristic of primitivism: 3. Abstraction of the figure, particularly facial and bodily proportions. Inspired by "non-Western" arts, particularly African masks. Occidental primitivist artists falsely assumed African artists were interested in producing abstract representations. Reason:

Visual Abstraction: African artworks tend to favor visual abstraction over naturalistic representation. This is because many African artworks, regardless of medium, tend to represent objects or ideas rather than depict them. Even the so-called portrait heads of Ile-Ife in modern day Nigeria, usually thought of as naturalistic representations of rulers, have actually been smoothed and simplified in an effort to abstract and generalize stylistic norms. [2] Ancient Egyptian art, also usually thought of as naturalistically depictive, makes use of highly abstracted and regimented visual canons, especially in painting, as well as the use of different colors to represent the qualities and characteristics of an individual being depicted

http://en.wikipedia.org/description/African_art

It's offensive that false data is being included in such an article.

[edit] African artists interested in producing abstract representations is a false assumption by primitivists?

I'm not sure if I agree with the third characteristic of primitivism: 3. Abstraction of the figure, particularly facial and bodily proportions. Inspired by "non-Western" arts, particularly African masks. Occidental primitivist artists falsely assumed African artists were interested in producing abstract representations. Reason:

Visual Abstraction: African artworks tend to favor visual abstraction over naturalistic representation. This is because many African artworks, regardless of medium, tend to represent objects or ideas rather than depict them. Even the so-called portrait heads of Ile-Ife in modern day Nigeria, usually thought of as naturalistic representations of rulers, have actually been smoothed and simplified in an effort to abstract and generalize stylistic norms. [2] Ancient Egyptian art, also usually thought of as naturalistically depictive, makes use of highly abstracted and regimented visual canons, especially in painting, as well as the use of different colors to represent the qualities and characteristics of an individual being depicted

http://en.wikipedia.org/description/African_art

It's offensive that false data is being included in such an article.

[edit] Nietzsche a primitivist?

I have not read near enough of Nietzsche to be certain that this assertion does not belong in this article (and I know he changes his mind a few times), but I cannot really see how Nietzsche could have been a primitivist. He was as critical of the way things were as he was of the way things were going. Someone who knows might change this unless someone who knows is who put it in there.66.183.215.141 15:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Updating the "see also" links

A lot of these links have more to do with anarcho-primitivist philosophy and almost nothing to do with primitivist art.Clockwrist (talk) 02:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this article ignores the existence of a large body of scholarship on this topic, beginning with A. O. Lovejoy and George Boas's magisterial Primitivism and Related Ideas in Antiquity (Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins Press, [1935] reprinted by New York: Octagon Books, 1965).

Another good starting place is Erwin Panovsky's famous essay "Et In Arcadia Ego" published in collection Meaning in the Visual Arts, 1955. 96.250.138.19 (talk) 22:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

See also Lovejoy, A. O., 'The supposed primitivism of Rousseau's "Discourse on Inequality"' in his Essays in the History of IdeasN.Y, 1960. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.30.152 (talk) 14:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)