Talk:Philip IV of France

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Suggestion regarding the comment on Philippe not being fair:

Look up the word "fair."

See comments on Philippe III. Same thing applies. Thanks.... DW

For ideas for the beginnning of a deeper historical assessment, see "What links here." --Wetman 19:43, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• User:Francis Schonken has take upon himself the job of redirecting the article. That is the first step. "What links here" will give the list of articles with redirects to be changed.--Wetman 08:50, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Philip the Fair?

There should be a section describing why Philip IV is called Philip the Fair when he obviously was not.

Er, "Fair" as in good-looking/blond, not "fair" as in "just." john k 17:50, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

The original French name is "Philippe le Bel", which clearly means "Philip the Handsome" (no conotation of being "Blond" here). PHG (talk) 20:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. Indeed, in this case, it just means "good looking." It certainly doesn't mean "Just". john k (talk) 01:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citing Sources

After the Friday The 13th sentence, it lists Citation Needed. I don't know who originally put that information about Friday the 13th there, but I just heard confirmation concerning it on the documentary "Knights Templar" on the History Channel. Is that good enough reference? If so, how would a reference for a television documentary look? Kwyjibear 07:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cenotaph photograph

Cenotaph of Philippe le Bel

Here is a photograph of the bust of Philippe le Bel, which I took in Saint-Denis. Could somebody kindly include it in the article, in the infobox? Best regards PHG (talk) 18:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Done! Ealdgyth - Talk 19:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! PHG (talk) 19:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mongol Alliance

I did a substantial cut of the information on the diplomacy with the Mongols, and moved it to the bottom of the page. As it was, far too much undue weight for a relatively minor diplomatic effort for a king with profound influence on western Europe at the time. Probably worth checking to make sure I didn't mess up sourcing or mangle the text too much. 131.107.0.73 (talk) 15:54, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

We don't just cut information at a Wikipedia article, we move it to a more relevant article, which in this case would be Franco-Mongol_alliance. Someone may want to check that all these deletions here are represented there, and that nothing has actually been lost.--Wetman (talk) 19:27, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

It's never lost unless oversighted, it's still in the previous version history, should someone think it is germane somewhere else. Really, if nothing where ever removed from wikipedia, why then is AfD and MfD necessary? And yes, information sometimes needs to be cut as unnecessary or hindering of the reading of the article. Fully half of what was there were exceptionally long quotes which aren't necessary for an encyclopedia. And if you really want to see if this is all considered necessary for wikipedia, please do first peruse the talk page at Franco-Mongol_alliance as you'll see there's not only an arbcom case, but quite a bit of consensus that the information cut from here isn't exactly desired in it's previous form.