Talk:Gas mask

[edit] This article is very bad

I looked at this one, then followed the link to HowStuffWorks.com, and a lot of this article is misleading, uninformative, and/or incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.58.97 (talk) 19:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] UK fetish?

"A small but significant number of people, particularly in the United Kingdom, have a sexual fetish about gas masks. It has been hypothesized that this may be because of childhood behavioral imprinting when these devices were issued in World War II".

Citation for the "particularly in the United Kingdom" bit? Who hypothesised this explanation? RayGirvan 19:09, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Popular Culture?

[edit] Mickey Mouse gas mask

Oops! When I added the link, it was a factual article about U.S. Mickey Mouse gas masks for children, designed to counter their scary appearance. RayGirvan 11:53, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] respirator vs. gas mask

I am in the process of rewriting the Wikipedia entry for respirator, which is the correct name for what this entry calls a 'gas mask.' My reasoning is that 'gas mask' is incredibly incomplete as a description - for example, there are full face respirators, half face respirators, powered air-purifying respirators, different cartridges for different hazards, and more. In the United States, OSHA requires medical clearance to wear even a simple half face respirator during the course of employment, if the employer is covered under OSHA's Respiratory Protection standard; breathing through one of these respirators is not as easy as it seems on the surface.

If Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it should at the very least discuss each type of respirator using the correct terminology, instead of 'filter mask' and 'gas mask.' Therefore, I am being bold and taking on the project. Help is appreciated and welcome; you can start by looking at the OSHA and NIOSH pages on respiratory protection, which can be found by doing a Google search for 'respirator' and either 'OSHA' or 'NIOSH.' Remember to come over to respirator - edits here will have to be moved over there anyway.

I would like to redirect this page to respirator once I'm finished, which won't be for several weeks. Please limit edits to this entry in the interim, because I don't want to put a 'major edit' hold on the page. Thanks. - ddlamb 22:45, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I support your approach, and agree with the respirator reasoning. Thank you for your efforts --Carboxen 23:27, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

There is yet another aspect to this. The US Military uses the term "Protective Mask" for what is improperly here being called a gas mask. (Note the caption on the picture on the right.) A true gas mask should protect the user from any gaseous or liquid environment. (ie: nothing of the gaseous or liquid environment makes its way into the closed system.) This requires that it have a self-contained environment ie: SCBA or for those divers SCUBA. The type of masks shown and described here, only filter out particulate or droplet material out of the gaseous environment. Most chemical agents are deployed as an aerosol. If it turns to a gas, which for something like sarin occurs at a fairly low temperature, these types of masks afford no protection to the wearer. (Most of this comes from US Army manuals and personal experience.) Anything you do to disabuse the public of the term "gas mask" is a public service. Regards -

[edit] Minor

Ben Egger is the best History teacher in the world as of this time.

I wonder how this sentence contributes to the article, and I don't see it as NPOV either, but I have never heard of the man so I might be mistaken. 62.204.152.170 09:53, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

The picture of man with horse sucks, it is black & white, low quality.
I think we need a picture of the gasmask only, without it being weared by anyone, just a high-quality picture of the item.

[edit] Reference removed

Looking over the article and its history, while I pondered what part of it might be merged with respirator, I noticed the following reference was removed:

• HUMBOLDT, Alexander von. Ueber die unterirdischen Gasarten und die Mittel ihren Nachtheil zu vermindern. Ein Beytrag zur Physik der praktische Bergbaukunde. Braunschweig, Friedrich Vieweg, 1799. 8vo. With 3 engraved folded plates.

when the edit for "Revision as of 16:47, 18 January 2006" was made. The removal didn't look related to the content that was added that session and may possibly have been unintentional. If some content departs for respirator and this is a reference for it, maybe the reference should also travel over. Or maybe it should anyway. What was this a reference for and Mention of Humboldt is already made in the other article, but should it not be reinserted in this one? It was the only reference in the article. -thanks, Onceler 18:57, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Onceler, I haven't seen your post here until now but I think the reference should at least be in one of the two articles. The reference is for the Humboldt text entry, and the image of Humboldt's respirator alike.

I inserted it originally, with this image in the gas mask article

(text reference to Humboldt on 23:00, 31 October 2005 as 68.231.48.106; reference insertion 23:24, 31 October 2005 as 68.231.48.106; image insertion 23:24, 31 October 2005 as Carboxen).

I do think by the way that the articles should be merged, with gas mask being a referral/forward]]. --Carboxen 21:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inventor

I've read another opinion that inventor of gas mask was Andrey Zelinsky in World War I (in 1915) against German gas attacks. May I add this to the article? --Vlad Jaroslavleff 17:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

   I've added this information.

Opinion Yes. Can we have a link other than a wiki one?

Yeah article please not www33.brinkster.com as it is not meet wiki guidelines.--BFritzen 15:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

The Imperial War Museum claim that the inventor was Edward Frank Harrison - this was covered in an article on the BBC's Today programme today Matt Beard (talk) 12:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of "gas masks in popular culture"

Scoo has removed that section and I tend to agree with him on that move. I encourage the parties interested in that section to rather start a separate article about several such items, or include it in Fetish or other articles like that. The disputed content does not seem to add to general knowledge about gas masks as it describes an exotic niche use. I would welcome a one-sentence indication of that use in the main article, with a link to a more specific site. One of the reasons being that it really is less about facts about gas masks than about sexual orientation or habit, and should thus be included in such an article rather than in one about a PPE tool of trade. --Carboxen 20:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Please review the contribution of James Bert Garner as his invention of the gas mask is sourced and verifiable in numerous well known sources. I do not believe the credit given here to Zelinsky is credible but cannot confirm. --Richgus1972 (talk) 15:41, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] It looks wrong

The article reads:

_{Unlike other breathing devices, gas masks do not require the user to carry an air supply as in the use of scuba gear.}

In fact, a gas mask is a device protecting (this is the difference from a scuba gear) respiratory organs; also, there are gas masks that protect the eyes and the face. Protecting features are classified according to the type of protect:

• Filtrating gas masks, a gas mask of this type filtrates the surrounding air, usually the feature of replacing the filter is provived. Gas masks of this type are used against the definite types of toxic materials.

• Isolating gas masks. The respiratory organ breathes with the air generated by the cartridge. Gas masks of this type save lungs from radioactive materials.

• Hose gas masks. The air is carried from a certain distance, gas masks of this type are used for working in a vessel that contains toxic materials.

I suggest to add these data to the article and remove the quoted sentence. If nobody answers I will do it by myself. I also can provide pictures of non-filtrating gas masks.

A. Demidov (talk) 15:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please either source or remove Zelinsky reference

I have found no evidence to back up the claim that Zelinsky invented the WWI gas mask but that rather it was James Bert Garner, a fact which is backed up in numerous sources. Please provide something other than an opinion for Zelinsky or in the interest of accuracy and quality I propose to remove the section. --Richgus1972 (talk) 04:19, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Have removed Zelinsky reference. --Richgus1972 (talk) 01:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, now English Wikipedia is free from Russian inventors! Wee! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evlampya (talk • contribs) 14:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Safety Hazard

Should someone write in that old gas masks contain a variety of very nasty shit in the cartridge and probably shouldn't be worn without removing the cartridge? Comradeash (talk) 15:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Terribly written

Can't one of you English majors do something useful and clean this up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.145.193.107 (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] heavy metal

what? besides sid wilson and a RATM tshirt theyre not "an emblem of heavy metal"♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ (talk) 03:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)