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[edit] FRENCH ECONOMY

I LOOKED AT THE ECONOMY SECTION OF FRANCE AND SAW THAT CHANGES HAVE NOT BEEN MADE YET. GDP NOMINAL IS FROM 2006 AND WE ARE NOW IN 2008, IT SHOULD BE 2.8 TRILLION USD AND 41,000 USD PER CAPITA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elvisbajro (talk • contribs) 16:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

France is no longer the sixth largest economy but [the eighth] ^[1] Per PPP, France is just [33rd.] ^[2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by BreizhAtav (talk • contribs) 23:21, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Right, France has just the EIGHT GDP at PPP (Purchasing Power Parity) and the SIX at nominal prices. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.53.110.3 (talk) 21:07, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Unlikely etymology for France. The name of the weapon "Francisca" is derived from the tribal name "Frank", NOT the other way round

This Wikipedia article falsely attributes the actual tribal name "Frank" (and hence the name "France") to the name of the throwing-axe weapon they used, the "Francisca" in Latin, or an alleged hypothetical name "Frankon". This is not credible. It is clearly attested that the name of this weapon came into Latin specifically because it was noted by Romans that this weapon was used by the Franks in battle. The name Franko(n) was the name that the Franks later applied to their domain, which was known in Latin as Francia, and ultimately became the name France.

Perhaps the authors of this article should consult the Wikipedia French language article on the Franks. The ultimate Germanic origin of the name "FRANK" is probably from a Germanic root "FREK-",. For example, "FREKKR" in Norse means "fierce, bold, valiant" .

I also found the Anglo-Saxon word "FRECA" which literally means "warrior, hero" and is attested in Beowulf, sometimes used to mean "wolf".

I was able to find support for this in the literature. In the book "An Historical Geography of France", by Panhol, Claval, and Lloyd, it is stated that this etymology was the interpratation of Isidore of Seville in the 7th century:

"A feritate morum nuncupatos", i.e. "named thus on account of their savage customs".

These words are echoed by Ermold the Black in the 9th century:

"Francus habet nomen de feritate sua", i.e. "The Frank is named for his ferocity".

Another possibility is a cognate with the Norse word for the Vikings that went into Russia, the Varangians, "Væringjar", from "vár" which means "pledge".

The notion that the name of the Franks was derived from the name of a weapon, like the name "Saxon" may be derived from the weapon "sax" or "seax" is not probable. For one thing, the "Saxon" is formed by a lengthening of "sax", whereas the opposite is true for "Frank" and "Francisca". The doubleheaded axe, the Francisca, is first attested in Latin texts in Spain, before this name was used in Gaul. As for the throwing lance or javelin, known in Anglo-Saxon as the "Franca" and in Norse as the "Frakka", again, the etymology of the weapon is clearly derived from the "Franks" themselves, and not the other way round. In Anglo-Saxon and other old Germanic languages, the "-a" at the end of "Franca" or "Frakka" denotes Genitive, Plural. Hence, the word literally means "...of the Franks", i.e. a Frankish-made javelin.

I believe the editors should update the article to reflect some of the information cited here. Thank you.

Jacob Davidson

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