Talk:Ferrari

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[edit] Ferrari wallpapers

Hi, I'd like to ad some external links to some Ferrari wallpapers hosted on my site at http://www.cartitans.com/Ferrari/index.php

Does this comply with Wiki codes?

Thanks,

Michael CarTitans 13:49, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

What's the meaning of S.p.A.?

S.p.A. in italian means "Società per Azioni" which is a society that rapresents the partecipation of its owners through stocks. I'd need somebody to make this better though. --Gino

I removed the part about "Sugar Daddy" because I felt it was too informal, and anyhow not really true. I think that the quintessential "Sugar Daddy" car is the Pontiac Trans-Am or perhaps the Chevrolet Corvette. Ferrari's are too rare.

I own a Ferrari, a 1979 Ferrari 308. It is the worst car I have ever owned. It is the most beautiful car ever made.

--Jimbo Wales

Hi Jimbo I'm feel happy not to have win your car. Ericd 20:43 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)

"most beautiful car ever made."? That is so not NPOV. ;) And wrong. =] The 246 is. TREKphiler ^{hit me ♠} 20:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

"The rampant horse however does not identify the Ferrari brand only: Fabio Taglioni's Ducati too had it on its motorbikes. Taglioni's father was in fact a companion of Baracca's, and fought in his famous squad, the 91st Air Squad - renamed SPAD (Société Pour Aviation et ses Dérives) - but when Ferrari became famous and the early legend started to accompany it, Ducati abandoned the horse, some suggest because of a private agreement between the two brands."

Squad/SPAD same thing isn't it ?

Seriously SPAD was a French company manufacturing fighters. One of the shareholders was Blèriot. They sold planes to the Italians and the US and maybe others. Baracca flew a SPAD. Ericd 20:50 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)

"91st Air Squad"? 91st Aviation Squadron, don't you mean? (In Italian...) Trekphiler 00:40, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rampant Horse

I was wondering if any might know who Count Francesco Baracca commissioned to paint the Rampant Horse on his plan?

Thank you!

C.J. Hepburn

I changed the Scuderia logo back to the old version in the "Cavallino Rampante" chapter. The images there shall demonstrate the similarity between the Cavallino and the Stuttgart Coat of Arms. Thus, it does not make sense to show here the logo on a car. --Pfg 16:58, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I deleted & rewrote this:

"The horse was originally the symbol of Count Francesco Baracca, a legendary asso (ace) of the Italian air force during World War I, who painted it on the side of his planes. Baracca died very young on June 19, 1918, shot down after 34 victories; he soon became a national hero.

"Baracca had wanted the prancing horse on his planes because his squad, the "Battaglione Aviatori", was enrolled in a Cavalry regiment (air forces were at their first years of life and had no separate administration), and also because he himself was reputed to be the best cavaliere of his team.

"It has been supposed the choice of a horse was perhaps partly because his noble family was known for having many horses on their estates at Lugo di Romagna. Another theory suggests Baracca copied the rampant horse design from a shot down German pilot who had the emblem of the city of Stuttgart on his plane. This is supported by the evidence Barraca's horse looks more similar to the one of Stuttgart (not changed since 1938) than the current Ferrari design, especially as the legs of the horses are concerned.

"Interestingly, rival German sports car manufacturer Porsche designed its logo by embeddeding the prancing horse logo of Stuttgart into the emblem of the state of Württemberg, just like the city is placed within the state. In the 1920s, Ferdinand Porsche had constructed supercharged cars for Mercedes-Benz in Stuttgart before starting his own engineering company there in the 1930s, designing the Auto Union race cars, amongst others.

"Curiously, the name Stuttgart is derived from Stutengarten, an ancient form of the modern German word Gestüt, which translates into English as stud farm and into Italian as scuderia. In turn, the Italians call Stuttgart Stoccarda. Obviously, the Ferrari-led Alfa team often met the Silver Arrows Mercedes-Benz (from Stuttgart itself) and later Auto Union at race tracks in the 1920s and 30s, so each knew of the other.

While interesting, this isn't relevant to Ferrari. (I also sense an Italian bias.) If anyone wants to include it on the Baracca page, with reference to his influence on Ferrari, feel free. Trekphiler 23:54, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Thinking about the history of the cavallino, it occurs to me we could & should create a page on side/nose art, where its use might be mentioned. Could also include the Stork of 12h Fighter Gp (Fr AF), the Hat in the Ring (17h Aero Sqn, USAAS?), & the like. Comment? Trekphiler 11:26, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I restored the original version of the "cavallino rampante" chapter because it is interesting information and the chapter is no too long. In my (and I believe many other's)opinion this is very "ferrari-relevant".--Pfg 17:46, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Sure, just bin other people's work of one week! I've re-reverted and edited it. If you think more infos need to be in the text, do it properly! --Matthead 23:35, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok, Matthead, but I added again the two main theories for the origin of Baracca's "cavallino". This information is very"ferrari-relevant". --Pfg 17:25, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Red

Red seems to be "the color" of Ferrari - all their racecars are painted red and pictures of Ferraris are often of red ones. Does anyone know why this is? The articles doesn't say.

Red is the FIA's national racing color of Italy. (Originally, all Ferraris were yellow... This is now Belgium's color.) Trekphiler 23:57, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Ferraris are traditionally red because it is Italy's official racing color. However, the Ferrari emblem is placed on a yellow background, and yellow is the official color of the city of Modena, where Enzo was born. One of the things pointing to the contrary would be the model name "Testarossa" which directly translates from Italian as "redhead". I have seen nothing indicating Ferrari's official color, though, so I am not even sure that they have one. To be honest though, it is my belief that the red is simply for loyalty to Italy, and that yellow would be more likely to be their official color. marcusmv3 20:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

The colour of the UK is green (see british racing green) so it's a popular choise for brittish sports cars. White for Germany (seems to be less common, but silver metallic is quite popular). Light blue for France (many Bugattis are light blue). See List of international auto racing colors. // Liftarn

At one point, ferraris were only available in red..

Yellow is indeed the official color of Ferrari, not red. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.136.69.211 (talk) 03:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC).

Red is used for Ferrari race cars, but cars sold to the public have often been in other colors, like yellow. John Anderson 11:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Yellow is the official colour of Ferrari.88.196.185.133 (talk) 19:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dino

His name was used after his premature death (at 24?). I'd have added why, but can't recall; I think it was leukemia. Trekphiler 00:36, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Legend has it that the V6 engine that Enzo used in the first Dino named model was designed by Dino himself on his deathbed, although I have seen no solid proof for this. marcusmv3 20:35, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Li'l GTO

Can somebody correct the sidebar reference to the 288 GTO? I've never heard of it, & as I recall, it was a 275 (3.3L). Trekphiler 01:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

It is correct. The 288 GTO was based on the 308's body and has a 2.8L twin-turbocharged V8 with 400hp. It was the supercar predecessor to the F40 and widely regarded as one of the most exciting and understated Ferraris of all time. I believe offical Ferrari documentation referred to the car as simply the "GTO", although it is always referred to with its number designation to avoid confusion with the 250 GTO as well as other various GTO models of other manufacturers (at least on the car forum that I moderate). Tifosi should be aware of such significant models. marcusmv3 20:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mozilla Problem

Trying to open this page in Firefox 1.0.4 causes it to freeze and crash. Any ideas why? (This does not happen when looking at other pages in Wikipedia.) MrHumperdink 04:04, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

No idea, but the 1.0.x versions are outdated, as 1.5.0.1 (or later?) is available and working fine. Maybe the issue was known and corrected already. You could investigate yourself by "try & error", i. e. opening old versions until it doesn't crash anymore. You also could notice the Mozilla/Firefox-developers, but I suspect they do not care too much about older versions. --Matthead 09:21, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

(This is the only page on Wikipedia that crashes Firefox 1.0.4 - at least that I have came across...is there some extra code or something added? EDIT: Could it be that the 'Ferrari logo' and the 'coat of arms' images are ".svg" files?)

Yeah, this happens to me too with Netscape. Not just this page, but every page having to do with Ferrari seems to cause my browser to freeze and crash.

[edit] Out of date

The records by the ferrari f1 team are out of date I believe. --Ballchef 07:15, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ferrari 500 Mondial

I have read that in the mid 1950s Ockelbo-Lundgren made a replica of the Ferrari 500 Mondial (now sold as Pagano[1]), but I haven't managed to find any info on it. It don't seem to be on the list here. Was it overlooked or is it listed under another name? // Liftarn

[edit] Success of Ferrari

Ferrari was also succesful in the 2000's (VERY SUCCESSFUL IN F1), winning 5 out of 7 championships in the 2000's so far.. i'm adding the 2000's to the intro.

[edit] Carerra Panamerica

Hi

Ferrari built and shipped 3 cars for the last (cancelled) Carerra Panamerica race in the 50's. A friend of mine Jim Hall of Houston TX, not to be confused with Jim Hall of Chapparal fame (they did compete against each other when the Chapparal was still a front engined car). Bought one of these 3 4.9 Ferraris and raced it up into the late 60's at SCCA events in Texas. This car was very fast for it's time. It was clocked at 183mph at the annual 4th of July event in Galveston TX. There was nothing tempermental about this Ferrari. It would sit idling for hours in the texas heat between races in the pit area.

I have never seen any documentation of this car, and would be interested to find where it wound up.

Surprised there has been no mention that Ferraris are among the most desirable cars ever made, and are one of the ultimate status symbols of wealth in the western wealth. So I've got the ball rolling.

[edit] External Link

Hi i have currently made a new exotic car site here. I was wanting to add the relevant pages to relevant wiki pages and wondering if thats ok to do so? Please let me know.

Thanks

Richard

[edit] External links

Carcrazy seems to be continually reverting my link to the DMOZ in the external links section of this article. Links to the Open Directory Project is actually an acceptable means of curbing linkspam in wikipedia articles, by providing a single link to a link repository that website editors can use to add their site to that directory, as opposed to adding their link to the wikipedia article. Many other wikipedia articles utilize this method, particularly ones that are prone to a high volume of linkspam, so I do not think that Carcrazy's accusations of linkspam here are acceptable.

If you own or know of a popular ferrari-related website, please add your link to the DMOZ site, and not directly to the external links section. Dr. Cash 22:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links

How is spamming wikipedia with DMOZ link is going to help stop spamming in in wikipedia? DMOZ is old and unless you are an editor or you are paying an editor, you will have very little chance to add a site to DMOZ. There are also pornographic site listed in DMOZ, do we really want to send people to such a site? There are external links to Ferrari own web site and Museum and that should be enough.--Carcrazy 02:18, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Currently, dmoz links are OK according to WP:EL. If you disagree with that policy/guidelines, you should take it to the WP:EL talk page. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 02:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Random Text

There is some random text in capital letters throughout the history section of the page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.185.236.111 (talk) 20:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC).

Removed. DH85868993 22:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Badge, Stuttgart and Naples

I find it odd that in the section on the badge, it talks about similarities to the Coat of Arms of Stuttgart, when the Province of Naples (actually in Italy) is even more similar to the design used at the Ferrari logo. Surley this should be mentioned somewhere in the article as it is actually an Italian company. Opinions Ferrari experts? - SalvoCalcio 22:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pencils

Since when did Ferrari license pencils?

--Stanleytheman 21:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Engine Displacement Naming Convention

The article states that "Four-Cylinder and V6 models used the total displacement (in decilitres) for the first two digits and the number of cylinders as the third." Then it goes on to state that the 206 was 2.0L four-cyl and the 348 was a 3.4L V6... This is blatantly wrong: The 348 was a V8 and the 206 was a V6. Wasn't it really something like "non-twelve cylinder" (not I4/V6) cars that used this naming convention? Jonheese 21:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Not a Ferrari expert, but, as I understand the system: V12s used displacement of 1 cyl (365=4.4 l); flat 12s used displacement/12 (512=5 l flat 12); others used decilitres/cyls (308=3 l V8, 206=2 l V6). Clear(er?)? Trekphiler (talk) 14:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC) (Recently, this seems to've been thrown out the nearest window, so the likes of the new Modena leave me completely confused...)

[edit] page move to Ferrari S.p.A.

according to Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Companies ("The legal status of the company (Corp., plc, Inc. or LLC), is not normally included") and Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Page_naming_conventions ("When there is a well known primary meaning for a term or phrase, much more used than any other ... then that topic may be used for the title of the main article, with a disambiguation link at the top") the lemma Ferrari was and is the correct name for this article. That's why I'm going to revert that page move (which wasn't discussed here after all).--BSI (talk) 19:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Thanks for doing this. --NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 21:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Ferrari GG50.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Logo avanti.gif

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[edit] Ferrari Millechili

Can we add the 2010 Millechili to the models section? I got info on the car and driver magazine: weight:less than 2200 lbs, horse power:around 600, wheel base:104.3 in, engiene: V10, cars going to production:300(est.), price: at least $500,000 (not euros). The car is most likely to be fitted in the concept cars section. This is according to Car and Driver magazines, Jun 08 edition. signed by: Ferrariguy1000 (talk) 22:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

-I have added proof of existance of the ferrari millechili: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/future_cars_2009_and_beyond/2010_ferrari_millechili_car_news

WHICH YEAR IS THE 590 MODEL18:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)66.74.74.2 (talk)ALBERT

[edit] Ferrari 246T

Where might this open wheel racing car go? --Falcadore (talk) 08:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)