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[edit] A fellow Eurasian with a birth certificate to prove it.

I just want to be short and sweet. I have a birth certificate that states that I am Eurasian. Can anyone out there provide the same? I took a peek into the discussion page and the pages on Eurasians, I was impressed that so many talented people are listed and want to be recognized as being Eurasians. I must say it is nice...but, I truly believe that to be Eurasian you have to have it listed in your birth cert right? Also, as part of being Eurasian, I definitely know all the mixtures that made my family Eurasian. Thank you for reading my note...Angela (Eurasianjewel)

Thank you for sharing. I do not think these sort of things are determined by birth certificates, only expressed in them (I am technically not Eurasian, my family on father's side is primarily Slavic with some obvious, though miniscule, Mongol influence). I would strongly recomend a study of Slavic, Persian, Tibetan and Mongolian culture, and a cross study of Plato, Confucius and Zoroaster (The Persian Moses). --IdeArchos 05:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


Proper acknowledgement requires proper documentation. Being Eurasian of Eurasian race requires validation. Thank you for your ideas and views IdeArchos. I was just looking at resolving a situation where I see a lot of noise going on. My view is that since we are all governed by laws, then it is the law that makes or breaks the notion of being Eurasian. Since a legal document such as a birth cert is produced by a country with laws, then it stands to reason that one can truly claim that one is Eurasian because one is formally acknowledged in law and in the eyes of the law as being a Eurasian of Eurasian race.

To add to this matter, on a formal note, the father is the determining factor in all this. My father is of Eurasian race and so is my mother. They too each have birth certificates to validate and give authenticity to this matter of being Eurasian. I am not being difficult, just letting the world know that being Eurasian is something special to me and requires proper proof. I grew up being the only Eurasian in my school, and in a large city. I was always treated differently, and I guess that added to my growing up thinking about my race and its meaning--being alone but strong and often standing up for myself. Being acknowledge as a Eurasian should be done through proper documentation given out by a country with laws. This is how one proves that one is actually Eurasian. I still stand by the fact that being Eurasian should be a fact acknowledged in law.

Let us not make this a wishy-washy thing, being Eurasian is very important to me, to my family and their extended families. Maybe it is time to let your officials who make the laws in your country look at this matter closely. If you feel strongly about this matter, then you should seek legal advice to help you get your proper recognition. I am acknowledged as being Eurasian by a country that has laws that are truly difficult to change, let alone make. If you or anyone would like to have this matter of being Eurasian hold some legal importance in your life, then you should make a legal move to have legal recognition in place in your country of birth to address this matter in a formal manner. Please, let me know how I may be able to help you in this matter. I will do my best. February 14, 2006 ,Eurasianjewel 00:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)eurasianjewel

  • Being Eurasian is not really a legal thing - different countries have different laws, and countries don't necessarilly list ones race on ones birth certificate. A birth certificate could say, for instance, that ones father was born in China and ones mother born in England, but it is race, not place of birth, that makes one Eurasian; you can be born in China but be of European ancestry; you can be born in England and be Asian. Yet if you wanted to get technicall, there is no such thing as Eurasian, or any "mixed-race", as there is no such thing as race (biologically speaking). It is all simply a social construct, and what "race" you are will depend on your society's particular views of, and classifications of, race. - Matthew238 03:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
    • You can even be of only European origin and be born in China. After all, there are Russians (throughout the north and in Beijing) and Portuguese (Macau) who live in China to this day. Le Anh-Huy 07:09, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I added David Malouf to the list of Eurasians and it was deleted. An Asian is an inhabitant of Asia. LEBANESE PEOPLE ARE ASIAN! Anyone disputing this is wrong. If they are not Asians, than how can you categorise Indians, Pakistanis and Persians as `Asian'. Some say Lebanse are `Caucasoid' but many people from Central and South Asia are as well, and of Indo-European origin too! It would not be morally right to restrict the term `Asian' to people only of `Mongoloid' origin, but if we include South Asians as `Asian' then why not West Asians (which include the Lebanese). In Modern context the word `Eurasian' is now used in a restricted meaning to identify people of European and East/South-East Asian ancestry as opposed to its 19th Century British-Indian term. If you delete David Malouf, then in that case you can delete the Anglo-Indians listed.

you don't need legal proof to be eurasian, becuase i am and my sister are techniacally eurasian ( half filipino-chinese, half english- french) but i am not considered to be a eurasian in australia by law (because most birth certificates in the world do not state a persons ancestry or race), other than that is is not recognised as a single race, because different eurasian can have different backgrounds, myself for example i am filipino chinese english and french, and the next eurasian you might meet may be german and filipino, the next one you meet will be spanish and thai etc. so it is hard to be legally eurasian because it would be hard to make it a single race without maybe millions of subdivions. aslo to eurasianjewel are you sure that you were actually the one eurasian at school, maybe you thought that because you would have been the only one to have described themselves as that Australian Jezza 02:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Definitely not dependant on legal documentation. My mother is Chinese Malaysian, my father English but on my documents, I am listed as European. It is apparently practice where I live (Malaysia) to follow the father's race. That doesn't make me any less "Eurasian" since I am, after all, 50-50 genetically. Hope that helps clear it up. STS (talk) 16:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ACHIEVEMENT OF EURASIANS?

WHAT HAVE EURASIAN DONE NO HISTORY OF YOU GUYS ????????? NOT LIKE MULATTOS AND MESTIZOS, WE DONE A HELL OF A LOT OUR OWN LARGE COMMUNITIES WHERE IN GOVERMENT ROLES FAMUS MULATTO AND MESTIZO PEOPLES ALL OVER THE WORLD. WHERE ARE THE EURASIANS AT NO RECORDS WHERE ARE THE 1800S - 1700S RECORDS AT? I CAN LIST MULATTOS AND MESTIZOS ALL OVER THE WORLD WERE EURASIANS LIST AGAIN NO RECORD. DID YOU KNOW MULATTOS AND MESTIZOS ARE LARGEST MIXED RACE EVER IN THE WORLD. WHERE ARE THE EURASIANS IN THE WORLD DEMOGRAPFY AND WORLD HISTORY?? >) -Posted by a racist mulatto coward using User_talk:216.27.165.170. Unfortunately this person's IQ is in two-digit form thus the inability to spell.

Reply:Yeap!! Euroasians and Amerasians are lowlives illigitimate childrens and have achieve nothing in History.. -Posted by a racist latin-american coward using User_talk:198.142.80.105, his/her mother is most likely a whore., auto signed by Sinebot
I'm at a loss for words in the face of this obvious mulatto superiority. 69.170.35.211 02:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. I find it most disturbing. Just because there are more mulattos and mestizos doesn't make them superior, there are more purebreds in this world than mixtures, and that's counting Arabs as mulattoes. Being Eurasian myself I find those remarks offensive. Besides, we can't prove mulattoes are older-maybe the Kurds are Eurasian and older than the Arabs. --69.234.211.216 (talk) 19:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
When Russia and China (after intermingling with eachother) both use America for money to launch the first manned mission to Mars long after they decide to nuke your sorry behinds, then I think that will be their greatest achievement (BTW: I am not Eurasian myself, I am a proud Slav with a trickle of Mongol blood in me, that is super Y Chromosome stuff right there).
No. When Russia, America, and China get involved in the Israel-Iran and Indo-Pakistan wars that will eventually happen, the world will be damaged, we'll lose all our technology and no one will go to Mars. Then we will realize that we are all equals, and no one will care about who achieved what because it will all be gone.--69.234.211.218 (talk) 17:57, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

does the guy who started this section KNOW that mestizos ARE Eurasians if they are not mestizo hat are full asians.... plus eurasian is a new term that means mestizo or those who have european and some asian heritage such as english/ french/ spanish/ italian/ german/ polish etc. with chinese/ japanese/ korean/ filipino etc. also of course mestizo are gonna be the largest mixed ethnic group in the world... they're the on;y mixed ethnic group in the world technically (because eurasian, would fall in the same category, and would make up the majority of them)Australian Jezza 13:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Um

Would a person still be considered Eurasian if they're like, Asian mixed with European blood but not with two parents of each race? I'm asking because I'm Chinese, but I'm one-eighth Portuguese from my mom's side (she's 25% Portuguese). Would I be considered Eurasian? 75.17.183.129 05:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I would considered you Eurasian, but this is not a science if you want to know your true mix consider DNA testing, you might be suprised at the DNA you have...--Caligvla 05:38, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Really it's up to you. Definitely I would say you are Eurasian but it is ultimately up to you if you want to identify yourself as Eurasian. Generally speaking, I would say most people who identify with being Eurasian would feel at least some connection with both their Asian and European side. The fact that you ask this question suggests you do identify with both sides. Nil Einne 11:51, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Just an aside, but doesnt your mom being 1/4 Portuguese make you 1/8 Portuguese (not 1/6)? --203.161.96.96 03:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Didn't notice that but yes you're right. It's actually rather difficult to be 1/6 anything Nil Einne 09:01, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Well then, that makes it even worse, because 1/8 is only like 12.5% and you can still tell I'm mixed. That makes me 12% Portuguese and 88% Chinese, and I still have curves and freckles and natural reddish-brown hair (but I have an Asian face) like a Portuguese girl. Unh. Why sigh, cutie pie? 16:12, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, sorry I am Portuguese and I have to say I am amaze by how Portuguese (or is it white?) you wannabe. I really think you should classify yourself as Chinese because I doubt any one would consider you white/Portuguese. But it seems that the Chinese ethnicity don't apply because you are said to have freckles (what, it is an European thing to have frackles now? I thought any person could have frackles!!!) and somehow reddish hair. Now it is very strange because red hair is such a recessive trait... and I would add that there are not even 1% of red heads in Portugal (maybe in the North they are some 1%), I would put their number as a 0,5%. I simply don't see how a 12,5% European person would be a redhead, especially coming from country with virtually no redheads (some 0,5%, that would be some 50 thousand people). I just think the probability is too low. But maybe it depends on what you call "red". If I am generous, I can say that some 20 to 25% of the people would have a somehow brown-reddish hair. But as I said, I had to be really generous. That being said, and you being overwhelmingly Chinese, do you really stand all that out in such a way that you can not call yourself a Chinese? Think that if you marry a Chinese, your child will be almost 95% Chinese and if you marry a European your daughter will be some 55% white, that is, mixed. If I were you, I'dd try to be part of that great culuture that is the Chinese instead of persuing ambiguous definitions with no cultural (or other, whatsoever) vallue. Do you feel all that non-Chinese? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.181.96.105 (talk) 13:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

    It's different to consider yourself mixed OR white.

[edit] Actual Eurasians

Where do actual Eurasians fall into this category? This article seems to imply that Eurasians are "biracial." Can you actually call a Kazakh or Uzbek person "biracial" or of "mixed ancestry" even if they look exactly like a person of half-Asian, half-European descent? If a Kazakh's parents are both "Kazakh" would it be possible to call him "biracial" if we're going by phenotype alone?

Not so much picking bones with this article, just throwing a question out there.

I would like to consider Eurasians as a race in of themselves. -- 68.32.201.254 21:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
To be honest with, you, I don't know. In some countries (Russia and Pakistan) some people look Asian, some Caucasian.--69.234.178.247 (talk) 17:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Terminology

I'm half Malaysian/Chinese and half English. My Malaysian/Chinese grandmother used to call me and my brother 'ten mix', which I understand is extremely rude (I'm not clear on exactly what it means, since our parents used to shepherd us out of the room as soon as she started!) If any Malaysian editors can clarify and add this to the terminology section (if appropriate), that'd be great. Squeezeweasel 22:50, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

honestly no offence. but i don't think u are considered eurasian. eurasian is not just because on of your parents is english and chinese. Eurasian is a culture. we are Eurasian because of where we come from, our historical background. Not of parentage. Tperreau 5 January 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 13:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Can you please expand on that? Where exactly would you have to come from in order to be Eurasian? We need to know if your view belongs in the article.--69.234.211.216 (talk) 19:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Eurasians Apperances

Hey All, My name Is Brandon Bevan and I am Half Chinese, and Half German and I look Mixed I have Black hair and Brown Eyes and Tan skinned with a slant to my eye and I was wondering how I can look mixed and others like Bruce Lee takes the Chinese part and Brandon Lee takes Chinese part than later on German, Swedish, or Engish and How Mark-Paul Gosselaar takes over the Dutch part of his heritage out of being Dutch and Indonesian, as Zack Morris on Saved by the Bell.

So, according to Wikipedia, I can be Eurasian even though my Portuguese ancestor entered my family tree centuries ago? That's a cool thought, but not all mixed people look mixed, especially after a few centuries of mixing in and out. Would Eurasians (half/half) accept Filipinos as Eurasians because we have centuries old blood from Europe? I think appearance is important because those who look mixed are usually put in a "special" group, cast outside the mainstream. That happens whether we like it or not, no matter what country we come from. Even though Eurasians aren't an ethnicity, they can't fully blend in with their native countries without totally and awkwardly standing out. Awkward because people don't know where we fit and how we are supposed to look. Everyone else has it all worked out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.213.191.14 (talk) 02:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't think most Filipinos have centuries old Eurasian blood from Europe, the Wikipedia article on Philippine demography says that most Filipinos are Malay, Chinese, or both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.234.198.52 (talk) 22:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Useful discussion of Eurasian ethnicity?

I removed this part from the article:

“Thus, very little can be said about 'Eurasians' in this general sense; for useful discussion one must focus on specific ethnic groups, such as the Spanish-Filipino Mestizos, the Portuguese-Malay-Indian Kristang, and the European-Thai luk kreung.[9]”.

This has to be wrong. We may have a long-standing tradition of referring to various groups of people as belonging to distinct ethnic groups, but surely, ‘Eurasian’ ancestry could be the subject of quite a few volumes. Part of the reasoning behind the statement I removed was that Eurasians constitute “... a large collection of ethnic groups with vastly different cultures, histories, genetic profiles, religions, etc.. Indeed, there is little justification to treat European-Asian people as a whole...”. True enough, but I believe the same could be said about many of the sub-categories that are supposedly more justified as ‘true’ ethnicities, as opposed to the Eurasian ethnicity. I would argue that ethnicities are constructed through our perceptions of them, rather than the other way about. Can we safely say, that all mixed European/Native-Americans of Latin America share the same culture, history, genetic profile and religion? Apparently not. So I think “useful discussion” can be had equally well of Eurasian ethnicity, as of any traditional ethnicity. Alfons Åberg 11:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

By all means add some references to useful discussion to this article. At the moment, it looks like a jumble of different concepts artificially lumped together.--Nydas(Talk) 11:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

The are 2 main lineages in the world. One from Africa which everybody knows and One from Euasia, which alot of people don't know, Alot of North African and West African people are Afro-Eurasian origins like my African descendants the Fulbe who are of Afro-Eurasian origins. The most of the Bantu in Africa and not of Eurasian origins. There are various Native America tribes mostly from Central South America and Canadian like the Maya, Inuit or Dene and Eskimos who are also from Eurasian origins. Then in The South Pacific the Solomon Islanders, Fijians, Vanuatu and other Melanesian and other Polynesian are also from Eurasian origins too. Rh negative people or pure Caucasian and Southeast Asian have command Eurasian origins. Most of the other people around the world regardless of the color and so called races are mostly African in origins. Some of the people listed above are of Eurasian Origins. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.188.117 (talk) 02:06, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] misconception

I'm a eurasian. like real eurasain. the portugese eurasian that took over malaysia. I think taht this article should really bring out the misconceptions of eurasian. I don't think that just because someone's parents is from europe and another one from asia is an eurasian. Thats just mixed blood. they can't really call themselves of eurasian ethicnity. they were just born. we on the other hand have been around for generations. i also read on the other talks about more misconceptions. And i think that this article should really clear the misconceptions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tperreau (talk • contribs) 13:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


I think there's two somewhat different understandings of the word Eurasian out there--one that refers to people like yourself and one which refers to what you call "just mixed blood". The first is concrete, while the second is more abstract; I do think it's something which needs to be clarified (I think it's what's behind a number of the disagreements here).

One could argue that your only real claim to greater authenticity is time--that is, originally your Eurasian ancestors were also once just "mixed blood". But I understand that you feel that since then it's developed a specific culture unto itself, and doesn't just refer to a general mix of two backgrounds.Critic9328 (talk) 01:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes but the "eurasian" culture of Malaysia would be different to that of Singapore and of Indonesia and anywhere else it might have sprung up over generations. There is no "concrete" definition. As for myself and many other "mixed bloods" here in Australia, perhaps we're the start of yet another strand of Eurasian culture. Though this is not the place to speculate, I'm simply pointing out the flaw in this argument. Primarch (talk) 13:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mess

This article is in an awful mess. Without better references I think a lot of it should just be deleted. I would rather see a factual stub here than the present mixture of original research, outdated racial biology, and out-and-out crap. I removed the two pictures as there was no evidence that either of them showed members of this supposed racial category. Any comments? --John (talk) 21:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I've started to trim out some of the worst excesses. We need to either reference or shorten everything here, or both. --John (talk) 19:35, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

WHITE ASIANS

Hundreds of millions of Asians are White: Turks, Nothern Indians, Northern Pakistanis, Kudrs, Afghans, Iranians, Lebanese, Syrians etc, etc. And most of these groups speak Indo-European languages which are close to Western European than to Mongoloid languages.

That´s something we have to take into account because thousands of those Eurasians are just a mix of whites like Andre Agassi (iranian-american) or John Sununu (lebanese-american) etc.

There's a difference between Asian (live on the continent of Asia) and Asian race (Mongaloid race). Kman543210 (talk) 05:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

SHOULD JEWS BE CONSIDERED ASIANS?

After all Israel is an Asian nation like Lebanon, Syria or China. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.57.49.100 (talk) 12:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

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